【北海道】養鶏場でクマ大暴れ…猟友会は”手ぶら”「素手で立ち向かうしかない」

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1: ブギー ★ 2020/07/14(火) 07:09:22.43 ID:sEKmys0f9
北海道内でクマの出没が相次いでいます。砂川市の養鶏場では小屋が荒らされる被害がありました。通常は銃を持って警戒にあたる猟友会ですが、銃なしでの対応を余儀なくされています。

猟友会砂川支部:「ガラスを破って、ここの口かなんか切って血がついてる。肥料を取って行きました。これ歩いたな。これだな」

7月11日、砂川市で鳥のエサを保管していた小屋が、クマに荒らされました。

猟友会砂川支部:「これはクマの足跡だが250~260キロはある。この熊はでかいですね」

クマの体長は2メートルを超えるとみられます。クマが出没したのは午後11時半ごろ。目撃した小屋の所有者はその時の音声をスマートフォンで撮影していました。

クマを目撃したときの様子:「キャー、クマクマ…」

被害にあった吉野祥子さん:「怖いです。ふつうに外出られない」

砂川市では、2020年、クマの目撃情報が28件寄せられ2019年の7月末と比べ、すでに6件多くなっています。

しかし、今回銃を携えて出動するはずの猟友会は、手ぶらでした。その理由は、猟友会の池上治男支部長が、2年前、クマを駆除した際、建物に向けて撃ったとして、銃の所持許可が取り消されたからです。

市の依頼で出動し警察官も同行していた上での処分。池上さんは処分取り消しを求め、裁判を起こしています。

猟友会砂川支部・池上治男支部長:「建物というのは屋根があって壁があったらもう建物人が住んでようがいまいが。この状況みてください、この状況でクマが出ても何もできないこの状況おかしいでしょ」

猟友会砂川支部は、2019年、発砲できる条件などについて道警や砂川市と協議しましたが、明確な説明がなかったことから、当面の間、発砲しないことを決めました。
しかし、相次ぐクマの出没に不安を募らせています。

養鶏場でクマ大暴れ…銃を携えて出動するはずの猟友会は”手ぶら”「素手で立ち向かうしかない」
 北海道内でクマの出没が相次いでいます。砂川市の養鶏場では小屋が荒らされる被害がありました。通常は銃を持って警戒にあたる猟友会ですが、銃なしでの対応を余儀なくされています。  猟友会砂川支部:「ガラスを破って、ここの口かなんか切って血がついてる。肥料を取って行きました。これ歩いたな。これだな」  7月11日...

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197: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:27:26.63 ID:u1nOhZ2X0
>>1
銃じゃなくて剣、盾で立ち向かえばいいのでは?
小中高と剣術を教育して、熊退治を行う。
244: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:29:38.71 ID:GF90aZtr0
>>197
剣持って警察官に同行して銃刀法違反で捕まるんだな
213: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:28:10.20 ID:RC86qUsl0
>>1
そろそろ念能力に目覚めそうやなw
262: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:31:11.52 ID:zgMJ0Zcs0
>>1
大山倍達でも無理じゃ
2: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:10:04.94 ID:N2SmYfUP0
(・(ェ)・)「ヒャッハークマー」
3: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:10:39.65 ID:ggG3BiLO0
大きな音が出て、鉄の球が飛び出すような物を作れば良いのではないか?
94: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:19:37.55 ID:KEoVoBLy0
>>3
パチンコ屋かな?
4: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:10:44.62 ID:7lZowVHK0
クマから賄賂もらってるな
6: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:10:58.58 ID:+VEiJ9CC0
鉈があれば戦っても生還率は高い
169: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:25:10.56 ID:Ycv7LBge0
>>6
ツキノワグマならなんとかなるが。
ヒグマは無理。絶対に勝てない。
194: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:26:55.58 ID:A3nJUpAF0
>>6
所詮ヒグマを知らない間抜けの戯言。
8: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:11:13.13 ID:CNbIWGkZ0
当然だな
自分の資格を取り消されてまで協力する話ではない
80: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:18:17.25 ID:2m9CQpaR0
>>8
そもそも所持許可を取り消されたらただの人だからな
寧ろなんで今回ノコノコ行ったのかという気がする
12: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:11:53.03 ID:ZnsenyZR0
外国の動画みたいにボウガンで打っちゃえ!
206: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:27:51.93 ID:A3nJUpAF0
>>12
ヒグマの脂肪を貫けるボウガンは市販されていない。
13: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:12:08.93 ID:rVr2+yZa0
養蜂場でクマーに見えた
16: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:12:26.51 ID:Nr8pcFOK0
(´(ェ)`)無双してよい?
24: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:13:17.04 ID:2tGwaJma0
他支部の応援頼めばいいやん
当然経費は町が持って
65: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:16:50.20 ID:kUYzuUt60
>>24
この問題は経費の関係じゃないんですよ。

市も警察も同伴した上で猟友会が熊を射殺したのに、それに対し、公安がクレームをつけたんです。建築物に向けて銃を撃ったと。そして免許を取り消されました。
そのおかげで、建築物のある場所へ向けて発砲できない状態に追い込まれました。

76: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:18:02.33 ID:AeC5LJti0
>>65
跳弾はこわいぞ
259: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:30:30.02 ID:mn0tDcCi0
>>76
跳弾よりヒグマのほうが怖えよ
100m7秒だぞ
うっかり当たる確率とかいう可愛いリスクじゃない
目をつけられたらほぼ終わり
77: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:18:02.62 ID:kjosHolS0
>>24
協力に応じたら自分の免許が取り消しになる可能性があるのに、誰が協力するかよw
27: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:13:41.80 ID:tAK5lRAH0
ヒョードルでも無理。
パワーが違いすぎる
悟空呼んでこい!
34: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:14:11.14 ID:Gaxi9UBl0
刃物にトリカブト毒を塗っとけ
アイヌはそうやって熊に対処していた
88: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:18:58.82 ID:NX1b879A0
ホームセンターデで売ってるガスバーナー携帯してると良いらしい。バーナーの火全開にしてむけてやると一目散に逃げてくんだとか。じいちゃんが言ってた。
95: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:19:53.53 ID:aSHnimpc0
>>88
キンチョールとライターでもいけそうやな
120: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:21:49.08 ID:SPsS+Jpw0
>>88
そりゃ、逃げなかった場合は食われてるから
逃げるって話しか残らないよね
121: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:21:55.59 ID:+rDZwgI+0
>>88
北海道の人は三毛別羆事件知らんのかな?
火は恐れないのに
92: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:19:26.25 ID:CgCJ6XRg0
自衛隊しかない?
グレネードランチャーで
208: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:27:59.95 ID:26xmm6Nu0
>>92
流石に軍の小銃なら貫通力だけは猟師の銃よりあるから倒せるだろうけど
猟師みたいな1発で急所狙うテクないから複数で乱射して倒すしか無いだろね
258: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:30:27.69 ID:MIU9pTO50
>>208
これ勘違いしてるやつ多いけど
アサルトライフルっての葉あくまでも対人間用に設計された弾丸を撃つ銃だから
威力そのものはハンティングライフル以下だぞ
292: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:34:05.16 ID:LkoUxv/m0
>>258
グリズリーにAKが効かなくてフルボッコにされたロシアの部隊があったなwwwww
276: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:32:52.48 ID:yC7rjVja0
>>92
自衛隊の演習地内に熊が出ても猟友会の出番
これマメな
109: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:20:48.84 ID:T2kZG97s0
警察も平和ボケだな
最近の日本はおかしい
110: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:20:49.83 ID:qyqQTs9v0
警察官がクマを撃てばええやん
拳銃の弱装弾で効くのか知らんけど

怒って余計に突進して来たら死ぬかもしれないけど、猟銃の免許取り消したのは
お前らだろ

131: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:22:51.45 ID:vF4oFvP60
日本のアホな銃関係の法律は他にもある
獲物を発見して撃つ寸前までは銃に弾丸を装填してはいけない
このアホな法律のせいで、ハンターは咄嗟にクマに出くわした時になにもできないままやられる
いかにもお役所仕事なアホな法律である
175: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:25:41.25 ID:5783O0Hc0
>>131
これウソみたいだけどホントの話しなんだよな
あり得ないようなバカみたいな法律多いよね日本で
171: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:25:16.52 ID:YykQE4G10
いつか三毛別羆事件みたいに取り返しのつかない状況になってから慌てて対処しようとするのが目に見えてるわ
172: 不要不急の名無しさん 2020/07/14(火) 07:25:26.94 ID:u3PyMulC0
犠牲者が出てからじゃないと話にならんな。

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